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		<title>By: Franco</title>
		<link>http://global-culture.org/capitalism-vs-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-119912</link>
		<dc:creator>Franco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 02:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this site while looking for another and yet I took the time to read it thoroughly. 

The writer of this opinion piece falsely states what George Reisman core premise is, and then builds a false framed and illogical arugment againt what Reisman wrote in whole.  The fact that this opinion piece writer has done that I find questionable and it has lead a lot of commenters to believe his fallacy.

The writers inexperience in business and being part of a free enterprise productive operation and what makes it tick and stay alive shows in spades with most of what he writes.  Laking that experace then, one of the best things he could do to help save the plant is to read and understand exactly what George Reisman is talking about in his main premise.

Here is the main premise that was over looked which was linked to the article at “to make non-compliance with emissions caps an international crime”.

A Free-Market Response to Global Warming

Even if global warming is a fact, the free citizens of an industrial civilization will have no great difficulty in coping with it—that is, of course, if their ability to use energy and to produce is not crippled by the environmental movement and by government controls otherwise inspired. The seeming difficulties of coping with global warming, or any other large-scale change, arise only when the problem is viewed from the perspective of government central planners.

It would be too great a problem for government bureaucrats to handle (as is the production even of an adequate supply of wheat or nails, as the experience of the whole socialist world has so eloquently shown). But it would certainly not be too great a problem for tens and hundreds of millions of free, thinking individuals living under capitalism to solve. It would be solved by means of each individual being free to decide how best to cope with the particular aspects of global warming that affected him.

Individuals would decide, on the basis of profit-and loss calculations, what changes they needed to make in their businesses and in their personal lives, in order best to adjust to the situation. They would decide where it was now relatively more desirable to own land, locate farms and businesses, and live and work, and where it was relatively less desirable, and what new comparative advantages each location had for the production of which goods. Factories, stores, and houses all need replacement sooner or later. In the face of a change in the relative desirability of different locations, the pattern of replacement would be different. Perhaps some replacements would have to be made sooner than otherwise. To be sure, some land values would fall and others would rise. Whatever happened individuals would respond in a way that minimized their losses and maximized their possible gains. The essential thing they would require is the freedom to serve their self-interests by buying land and moving their businesses to the areas rendered relatively more attractive, and the freedom to seek employment and buy or rent housing in those areas.

Given this freedom, the totality of the problem would be overcome. This is because, under capitalism, the actions of the individuals, and the thinking and planning behind those actions, are coordinated and harmonized by the price system (as many former central planners of Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union have come to learn). As a result, the problem would be solved in exactly the same way that tens and hundreds of millions of free individuals have solved greater problems than global warming, such as redesigning the economic system to deal with the replacement of the horse by the automobile, the settlement of the American West, and the release of the far greater part of the labor of the economic system from agriculture to industry. (pp. 88-89)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this site while looking for another and yet I took the time to read it thoroughly. </p>
<p>The writer of this opinion piece falsely states what George Reisman core premise is, and then builds a false framed and illogical arugment againt what Reisman wrote in whole.  The fact that this opinion piece writer has done that I find questionable and it has lead a lot of commenters to believe his fallacy.</p>
<p>The writers inexperience in business and being part of a free enterprise productive operation and what makes it tick and stay alive shows in spades with most of what he writes.  Laking that experace then, one of the best things he could do to help save the plant is to read and understand exactly what George Reisman is talking about in his main premise.</p>
<p>Here is the main premise that was over looked which was linked to the article at “to make non-compliance with emissions caps an international crime”.</p>
<p>A Free-Market Response to Global Warming</p>
<p>Even if global warming is a fact, the free citizens of an industrial civilization will have no great difficulty in coping with it—that is, of course, if their ability to use energy and to produce is not crippled by the environmental movement and by government controls otherwise inspired. The seeming difficulties of coping with global warming, or any other large-scale change, arise only when the problem is viewed from the perspective of government central planners.</p>
<p>It would be too great a problem for government bureaucrats to handle (as is the production even of an adequate supply of wheat or nails, as the experience of the whole socialist world has so eloquently shown). But it would certainly not be too great a problem for tens and hundreds of millions of free, thinking individuals living under capitalism to solve. It would be solved by means of each individual being free to decide how best to cope with the particular aspects of global warming that affected him.</p>
<p>Individuals would decide, on the basis of profit-and loss calculations, what changes they needed to make in their businesses and in their personal lives, in order best to adjust to the situation. They would decide where it was now relatively more desirable to own land, locate farms and businesses, and live and work, and where it was relatively less desirable, and what new comparative advantages each location had for the production of which goods. Factories, stores, and houses all need replacement sooner or later. In the face of a change in the relative desirability of different locations, the pattern of replacement would be different. Perhaps some replacements would have to be made sooner than otherwise. To be sure, some land values would fall and others would rise. Whatever happened individuals would respond in a way that minimized their losses and maximized their possible gains. The essential thing they would require is the freedom to serve their self-interests by buying land and moving their businesses to the areas rendered relatively more attractive, and the freedom to seek employment and buy or rent housing in those areas.</p>
<p>Given this freedom, the totality of the problem would be overcome. This is because, under capitalism, the actions of the individuals, and the thinking and planning behind those actions, are coordinated and harmonized by the price system (as many former central planners of Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union have come to learn). As a result, the problem would be solved in exactly the same way that tens and hundreds of millions of free individuals have solved greater problems than global warming, such as redesigning the economic system to deal with the replacement of the horse by the automobile, the settlement of the American West, and the release of the far greater part of the labor of the economic system from agriculture to industry. (pp. 88-89)</p>
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		<title>By: Five Ways to Prevent Global Warming That Big Media Won&#8217;t Tell You : Planetsave</title>
		<link>http://global-culture.org/capitalism-vs-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-111091</link>
		<dc:creator>Five Ways to Prevent Global Warming That Big Media Won&#8217;t Tell You : Planetsave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 23:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Globalized, capitalist society thrives on rampant consumerism. And it is this system that is helping to degrade the environment and contribute to global climate change. But you can take a jab at the consumerism machine by reducing your consumption. For example, you can do this by buying used clothing, joining a co-op, and participating in events like Buy Nothing Day. There are endless means by which you can learn to live more simply, and in turn, more lightly upon the earth. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Globalized, capitalist society thrives on rampant consumerism. And it is this system that is helping to degrade the environment and contribute to global climate change. But you can take a jab at the consumerism machine by reducing your consumption. For example, you can do this by buying used clothing, joining a co-op, and participating in events like Buy Nothing Day. There are endless means by which you can learn to live more simply, and in turn, more lightly upon the earth. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mia</title>
		<link>http://global-culture.org/capitalism-vs-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-22044</link>
		<dc:creator>Mia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 01:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this blog to be very disturbing by the fact that global warming is a serious issue.  We as human beings, have always avoided or &quot;made light&quot; of a problem that will definetely afffect us in the future.  It&#039;s sad to know that there are people who actually have the nerve to devalue our environment and the world we live in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this blog to be very disturbing by the fact that global warming is a serious issue.  We as human beings, have always avoided or &#8220;made light&#8221; of a problem that will definetely afffect us in the future.  It&#8217;s sad to know that there are people who actually have the nerve to devalue our environment and the world we live in.</p>
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		<title>By: quixote</title>
		<link>http://global-culture.org/capitalism-vs-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-15581</link>
		<dc:creator>quixote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This Reisman chap needs to get back on his meds.  (As does AdamP.)

The reason to care about the dear plants is that&#039;s what you eat and that&#039;s what makes your air.  Plants do not simply flourish when it&#039;s hotter.  (Credential moment: I&#039;m a biologist, 20 yrs teaching in universities, etc, etc, etc.)  Fixation of carbon (AdamP: this is important because of the &quot;what you eat&quot; business above) increases with very small rises in temperature.  After that it decreases because of the way that particular reaction works.  Higher temperatures also mean plants lose more water.  Most plants can only fix carbon while they are also transpiring water.  Desert plants, for instance, have a very complex adaptation that allows them to gain sun energy during the day, but fix the carbon at night.

The plants in Canada do not have adaptations to heat.  They will die off.  They will not be replaced by a vibrant ecosystem capable of supporting humans and agriculture.  They will be replaced by weeds, or &quot;early successionals&quot; as we biologists like to call them.  Useful ecosystems only come much later in the succession.

Another example: higher temperatures mean insects get ahead of those birdies AdamP has no use for.  Some of those insects carry diseases.  Dengue, for instance, has recently appeared in the southern USA.

Moving right along, I&#039;m sure that nations battling disease outbreaks and crop failures will be delighted to welcome environmental refugees from the global South.  Or even from the US South, as time goes by.  I mean, look how happy the US is right now to welcome Mexicans and other Latin Americans.

And as for costs, which I gather is Reisman&#039;s whole shtick, let&#039;s look at a recent example.  Estimated cost of fixing New Orleans&#039; levees and dealing with the coastal erosion, pre-Katrina: 17 billion was the high estimate.  Estimated cost of post-Katrina damages, which doesn&#039;t begin to get it back to where it was: 200 billion and counting.

The corporate toadies keep trying to pretend it&#039;s a choice between no cost and some cost.  If they&#039;re smart enough to be writing articles, they&#039;re smart enough to know they&#039;re lying, just so they can for now  keep robbing our children blind.  

The choice is between some cost now and staggering costs later.  And the staggering costs won&#039;t buy the good life.  They may, *may*, enable a few to save scraps from the wreck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Reisman chap needs to get back on his meds.  (As does AdamP.)</p>
<p>The reason to care about the dear plants is that&#8217;s what you eat and that&#8217;s what makes your air.  Plants do not simply flourish when it&#8217;s hotter.  (Credential moment: I&#8217;m a biologist, 20 yrs teaching in universities, etc, etc, etc.)  Fixation of carbon (AdamP: this is important because of the &#8220;what you eat&#8221; business above) increases with very small rises in temperature.  After that it decreases because of the way that particular reaction works.  Higher temperatures also mean plants lose more water.  Most plants can only fix carbon while they are also transpiring water.  Desert plants, for instance, have a very complex adaptation that allows them to gain sun energy during the day, but fix the carbon at night.</p>
<p>The plants in Canada do not have adaptations to heat.  They will die off.  They will not be replaced by a vibrant ecosystem capable of supporting humans and agriculture.  They will be replaced by weeds, or &#8220;early successionals&#8221; as we biologists like to call them.  Useful ecosystems only come much later in the succession.</p>
<p>Another example: higher temperatures mean insects get ahead of those birdies AdamP has no use for.  Some of those insects carry diseases.  Dengue, for instance, has recently appeared in the southern USA.</p>
<p>Moving right along, I&#8217;m sure that nations battling disease outbreaks and crop failures will be delighted to welcome environmental refugees from the global South.  Or even from the US South, as time goes by.  I mean, look how happy the US is right now to welcome Mexicans and other Latin Americans.</p>
<p>And as for costs, which I gather is Reisman&#8217;s whole shtick, let&#8217;s look at a recent example.  Estimated cost of fixing New Orleans&#8217; levees and dealing with the coastal erosion, pre-Katrina: 17 billion was the high estimate.  Estimated cost of post-Katrina damages, which doesn&#8217;t begin to get it back to where it was: 200 billion and counting.</p>
<p>The corporate toadies keep trying to pretend it&#8217;s a choice between no cost and some cost.  If they&#8217;re smart enough to be writing articles, they&#8217;re smart enough to know they&#8217;re lying, just so they can for now  keep robbing our children blind.  </p>
<p>The choice is between some cost now and staggering costs later.  And the staggering costs won&#8217;t buy the good life.  They may, *may*, enable a few to save scraps from the wreck.</p>
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		<title>By: juan</title>
		<link>http://global-culture.org/capitalism-vs-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-15421</link>
		<dc:creator>juan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jorge: Indeed.  The best tool we have is communication.  Spread the word.

AdamP: you should care for the same reason Reisman does... because their flourishing as a result of higher concentrations of carbon dioxide will be a signal that we&#039;ve crossed the point of no return.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jorge: Indeed.  The best tool we have is communication.  Spread the word.</p>
<p>AdamP: you should care for the same reason Reisman does&#8230; because their flourishing as a result of higher concentrations of carbon dioxide will be a signal that we&#8217;ve crossed the point of no return.</p>
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		<title>By: AdamP</title>
		<link>http://global-culture.org/capitalism-vs-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-15295</link>
		<dc:creator>AdamP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 18:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woah, boy!

Why, exactly, should I give a crap one way or the other about the birdies and the deer and the plants?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woah, boy!</p>
<p>Why, exactly, should I give a crap one way or the other about the birdies and the deer and the plants?</p>
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		<title>By: Jorge</title>
		<link>http://global-culture.org/capitalism-vs-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-15042</link>
		<dc:creator>Jorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 03:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link --it&#039;s a frightening read. Reisman&#039;s spin of the environmentalist movement as one that &quot;does not value human life&quot; is particularly absurd.

That&#039;s what we&#039;re up against.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link &#8211;it&#8217;s a frightening read. Reisman&#8217;s spin of the environmentalist movement as one that &#8220;does not value human life&#8221; is particularly absurd.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what we&#8217;re up against.</p>
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